This is my last fucking message on War and US policy!!!Amen!

[balkanboi]

I'll try to be short. This goes to all you people who keep saying that Saddam is a threat to USA and state your pro-war opinions so easily : I really hope it happens to you. I hope your friends and families will die and there will be nothing you could do about it. Not that I have something against you personally, but I concluded that would be the only way to make you see what are you supporting.
And don't give me blah blah's about how Iraqi people suffers under Saddam's foot. Yes they do. And they're not the only ones. And you have nothing to do with it. And their situation has lots to do with your middle-east policy by now. And this war is not about liberating anyone, anyway. Leave them alone, and leave their lives (political, economic, etc.) go and change and evolve naturally.
There is no way to justify this war. Even Powell, Bush and Rumsfeld are not able to justify it, how could some kid on this forum. So, if you really are pro-war, which means you are pro all those civilians dead, then I really want the same thing to you. This may seem extremist and controversial, but it isn't. If it's OK to support bombing Iraq and civilian killings, then it's OK to support bombing USA and support American civilians deaths, aswell. So, I hope for more "terrorist" attacks, maybe those will be educational for you.

[Wangoed]

:lol: your last word, yeah rite...

[mchncl]

seems that this topic is running a bit hot.

let's stay calm, eh?

this attack is without un-support a violation of international law and i think that the us should take it under thorough consideration if the should do it on their own. it is under the above stated conditions an infringement and america is the obvious aggressor and if it will take place... then i at least don't want to hear americans whining about some issue and refer to international law.

american troops cannot be placed under international law accused of war crimes... guess who fucked up that deal with a veto?

[Metalman]

I'll try to be short. This goes to all you people who keep saying that Saddam is a threat to USA and state your pro-war opinions so easily. I really hope it happens to you. I hope your friends and families will die and there will be nothing you could do about it. Not that I have something against you personally, but I concluded that would be the only way to make you see what are you supporting.
And don't give me blah blah's about how Iraqi people suffers under Saddam's foot. Yes they do. And they're not the only ones. And you have nothing with it. And their situation has lots to do with your middle-east policy by now. And this war is not about liberating anyone, anyway. Leave them alone, and leave their life (political, etc.) go and change and evolve naturally.
There is no way to justify this war. Even Powell, Bush and Rumsfeld are not able to justify it, how could some kid on this forum. So, if you really are pro-war, which means you are pro all those civilians dead, then I really want the same thing to you. This may seem controversial, but it isn't. If it's OK to support bombing Iraq and civilian killings, then it's OK to support bombing USA and support American civilians deaths, aswell. So, I hope for more "terrorist" attacks, maybe those will be educational for you.

Who said it was OK to bomb civilians? I sure as hell didn't.

[timdog]

Your logic is fucked man.
You hope my friends and family die? What the fuck is that? I don't ever hope that on anyone. Not even my "enemies." More terrorist attacks on the US? Do you know how wrong that is? If that were to happen, it would mean only more support from the American people. Then you would see some REAL fucking war mongering. Some scary shit.

The Iraqi people ARE helpless against their leader and nobody has the means or the balls to step up and do something about it. Certainly not fucking France, Russia or Germany who have monitary ties to Iraq. "Fuck the Iraqi people" they say. "Our economy is more important than their suffering regardless of the fact that Saddam is a maniacal dictator who uses biological weapons on his own people."

Then there is the aspect that Iraq has ties to 9/11. That's all I need to say about that.

Then there is the argument that "Hey, it's because of your American policies that the Middle East is a mess." That is such a farce. I'll stick by my word and say that with no intervention of any sort, the fueding nations of the Middle East would have destroyed each other and most likely their neighbors years and years ago.

I'm glad you aren't saying anything anymore because I find your messages idiotic.


I'll try to be short. This goes to all you people who keep saying that Saddam is a threat to USA and state your pro-war opinions so easily. I really hope it happens to you. I hope your friends and families will die and there will be nothing you could do about it. Not that I have something against you personally, but I concluded that would be the only way to make you see what are you supporting.
And don't give me blah blah's about how Iraqi people suffers under Saddam's foot. Yes they do. And they're not the only ones. And you have nothing with it. And their situation has lots to do with your middle-east policy by now. And this war is not about liberating anyone, anyway. Leave them alone, and leave their life (political, etc.) go and change and evolve naturally.
There is no way to justify this war. Even Powell, Bush and Rumsfeld are not able to justify it, how could some kid on this forum. So, if you really are pro-war, which means you are pro all those civilians dead, then I really want the same thing to you. This may seem controversial, but it isn't. If it's OK to support bombing Iraq and civilian killings, then it's OK to support bombing USA and support American civilians deaths, aswell. So, I hope for more "terrorist" attacks, maybe those will be educational for you.

[Barry Clark]

I am assuming that you say the truth here FuckAmerica and you will no longer be speaking on this topic. None the less, I assume you will be reading these.

On the topic of other countries that are bad off, we can't possibly help the world. SO we have to pick and choose which ones appear to have the greatest impact on our society. We have tried before to clear up those other countries but because of the situationsin those countries we could not change a thing. All we ended up doing was killing more people and getting ourselves killed, so we got out of that business. We now focus on the ones that clearly would impact us. Short-sighted, maybe, but it is the most clear and reasonable to prioritize order of importance. Sure, if we can get Iran, Iraq, China, and North Korea to name big ones, to change their tune, then we can focus a little more on other countries where it would be more of a humanitairian effort. FWIW, the situation in the Middle East started before the US and we have had little to do with its current state. However, there is a marked change in a couple of countries. Afghanistan for one. We are hurting those people so bad what with our painful self-determinist ideals and our agoniziong aid.

Besides, I DARE any body to do that to us.

[Hundswoth]

"Fuck the Iraqi people" they say. "Our economy is more important than their suffering regardless of the fact that Saddam is a maniacal dictator who uses biological weapons on his own people."

where did you hear or read that?! :|

suffering??? do you know, how many people on this earth suffer? your moral seems to be..............whatever...

please list every country with every dictator currently in power and the number of people who suffer because of their dictator.

[Zer0]

Good riddance.

:roll:

[Barry Clark]

"Fuck the Iraqi people" they say. "Our economy is more important than their suffering regardless of the fact that Saddam is a maniacal dictator who uses biological weapons on his own people."

where did you hear or read that?! :|

suffering??? do you know, how many people on this earth suffer? your moral seems to be..............whatever...

please list every country with every dictator currently in power and the number of people who suffer because of their dictator.Timdog didn't say in that statement that all dicatators were maniacal. He said Hussein was. I agree, he is.

[Metalman]

"Fuck the Iraqi people" they say. "Our economy is more important than their suffering regardless of the fact that Saddam is a maniacal dictator who uses biological weapons on his own people."

where did you hear or read that?! :|

suffering??? do you know, how many people on this earth suffer? your moral seems to be..............whatever...

please list every country with every dictator currently in power and the number of people who suffer because of their dictator.

Neither China, Russia or France has actually said that, but what Timdog meant by what he said is that they are keeping the US from getting the UN resolution since all three countries have some deal going on with Iraq, whether it be money or weapons or whatever. The US does not and probably will not get the resolution despite all the evidence we've given them.

[Tyrant]

:monkeypiss:

[Barry Clark]

:monkeypiss:What he said.

[mchncl]

there is alot of hate and anti-americanism. that is evident even on a forum like this one, which i'd say is frequented almost exclusively by people who haven't been close to the events that resulted in this resentment. then what do uneducated poor people, entangled in religious fanatism with a force-fed selective view of the world, think of the us?
(not to mention that they haven't heard meshuggah's lyrics that urges you to stub out false doctrine :wink:)

fuckamerica seem to have lost his head in anger and it resembles the rash reations of some americans who shortly after 9/11 wanted to turn afgahnistan "into a parking lot"

actually i must admit that i was pretty indifferent when it all happened and i thought that it was strange that we had a silent moment for the victims in sweden. i can't rember that happen before on behalf of a foreign country in my lifetime. nothing wrong with it at all... just odd. a similar sentiment was declared by fisk in the space-shuttle thread.

this was unique. the us has been involved in hundreds of armed conflict during the last century and this was a rare onslaught on the us indeed... this one took place on american soil.

i do not consider myself anti-american. and of course there is no justification for civilians being killed.

i just regret that the 'gon wasn't the target and that all warmongers and corporate-american-developing-country-coup'détat-grey-eminence people had some sort of a conference there. :wink:

[Barry Clark]

I agree that the sentiment would have had some difference from even me, a staunch American, if the attacks had only been on miltary targets such as the WHite House or whatever. The fact that they went after a heavily civilian populated area with the intent on killing civilians mainly is what separates us. THat is a major argument in the Israel/Palestine argument.

[balkanboi]

there is alot of hate and anti-americanism.
fuckamerica seem to have lost his head in anger and it resembles the rash reations of some americans who shortly after 9/11 wanted to turn afgahnistan "into a parking lot"
i do not consider myself anti-american. and of course there is no justification for civilians being killed.
i just regret that the 'gon wasn't the target and that all warmongers and corporate-american-developing-country-coup'détat-grey-eminence people had some sort of a conference there. :wink:

I'm not anti-american, just pro-justice. Of course I don't justify civilians deaths, but I wanted to logically point out that it's extremely hypocritical to cry over American deaths and at the same time cry for Iraqi (Afghan/Vietnamese/communist/Iranian/Korean/French(:wink:)/etc.) deaths. As simple as that.
Plus, I wouldn't call all those people that died in the WTC civilians. Lots of them "bussinessmen" had their hands very dirty from their "bussinesses" abroad.

(I know I said that was my last post about the topic, but I'll give myself the freedom to explain what I meant...)

[Wangoed]

:lol: your last word, yeah rite...

[mchncl]

I agree that the sentiment would have had some difference from even me, a staunch American, if the attacks had only been on miltary targets such as the WHite House or whatever. The fact that they went after a heavily civilian populated area with the intent on killing civilians mainly is what separates us. THat is a major argument in the Israel/Palestine argument.

i said:
there is no justification for civilians being killed!
i don't like terrorism. swedes were killed in those towers too.

the israeli has a systematic terrorism on the palestines just as the palestines suicidebomb the israeli. it is government-supported terrorism. please don't tell me that that is better.

[Zer0]

I agree that the sentiment would have had some difference from even me, a staunch American, if the attacks had only been on miltary targets such as the WHite House or whatever. The fact that they went after a heavily civilian populated area with the intent on killing civilians mainly is what separates us. THat is a major argument in the Israel/Palestine argument.
How on Earth would it make a difference? Is an attack on an American in unirform any different than an attack on an American in jeans?
Sure, you could say, "Well, they took the risk serving in the military...."
But does that mean their death is justified simply because of that?

[Barry Clark]

I agree that the sentiment would have had some difference from even me, a staunch American, if the attacks had only been on miltary targets such as the WHite House or whatever. The fact that they went after a heavily civilian populated area with the intent on killing civilians mainly is what separates us. THat is a major argument in the Israel/Palestine argument.
How on Earth would it make a difference? Is an attack on an American in unirform any different than an attack on an American in jeans?
Sure, you could say, "Well, they took the risk serving in the military...."
But does that mean their death is justified simply because of that?THere is quite a difference. THe differnce is in intent. Attack on civilians does show different intent than attack on civilians. I am not saying that I would not have been angry about an attack on our military or government, but certainly an attack on civilians is far greater a message of "evil" (couldn't find a better word at the moment) than attacking otherwise. SOrt of like the Israeli/PLO thing. If the real argument was with the Israeli government and not the people as is claimed, then why attack the people and not the military? The reason why that is different as far as intent is concerned is quite clear to me.

[Tyrant]

I'm not anti-american, just pro-justice. Of course I don't justify civilians deaths

I hope your friends and families will die and there will be nothing you could do about it.

:monkeypiss:

[Barry Clark]

I'm not anti-american, just pro-justice. Of course I don't justify civilians deaths

I hope your friends and families will die and there will be nothing you could do about it.

:monkeypiss:You like that emoticon, don't you?

[Tyrant]

:monkeypiss:

[Tyrant]

I am.......THE PHANTOM PISSER!!!!

[Barry Clark]

Not really, we know who you are. :lol:

[Tyrant]

My cover has been blown!

[Barry Clark]

My cover has been blown!It has been what? hehe. :lol: :oops:

[Wangoed]

Not really, we know who you are. :lol:

ahahaha

that's awesome, barry you get 2 cool points and a phantom dollar for use in the tandjent.com store.

[Barry Clark]

Not really, we know who you are. :lol:

ahahaha

that's awesome, barry you get 2 cool points and a phantom dollar for use in the tandjent.com store.Unfortunately for me, not unlike the Chuck E. CHeese store, all items cost far more than a tandjent.com dollar and the exact same items would only cost me 1/8 of that amount if I wee to buy it with US Dollars. :(

Or do the 2 COol points increase the value of my Tandjent.com by some nominal, non-cpytic method?

[Wangoed]

uh...i think the answer to your question is "look in the faq"

[Barry Clark]

uh...i think the answer to your question is "look in the faq"OK, thanks.

[balkanboi]

I'm not anti-american, just pro-justice. Of course I don't justify civilians deaths

I hope your friends and families will die and there will be nothing you could do about it.

:monkeypiss:

Out of the context, so :monkeypiss: to you, too. 8)

[Tyrant]

:monkeypiss: :monkeypiss: :monkeypiss: :monkeypiss: :monkeypiss:


I have plenty more where that came from..... :P


:monkeypiss: :monkeypiss: :monkeypiss: :monkeypiss: :monkeypiss:

[timdog]

Damn.. what do you feed your monkeys?
I smell asparagus. :vomit:

[Tyrant]

Damn.. what do you feed your monkeys?
I smell asparagus. :vomit:

:lol:

eeeew asparagus!!

[Barry Clark]

Damn.. what do you feed your monkeys?
I smell asparagus. :vomit:Nasty, dude.