Tao De Ching

[NinjaHavoc]

I really like this guy... very interesting I think, though his writings have been translated many times over thousands of years. Here he is;

http://www.chinapage.com/gnl.html

[Barry Clark]

Own a translated copy. Interesting read.

[NinjaHavoc]

Two of us who think so, so far. =/

[fisk]

When harmonious relationships dissolve
Then respect and devotion arise;
When a nation falls to chaos
Then loyalty and patriotism are born.


--

I really like his writings.

[Parasite]

I really like his writings.

Whose writings?

I am surprised you people give these writings any credence whatsoever. How can one be sure that any of these passages are even close to Lao Tse's original scripts? The caveat at the end of these writings seems to highlight such a concern:

"This work is not a translation, but an interpolation. It does not represent the original text; the original, if there was an original, has been jumbled, mistranscribed and reinterpreted many times over many thousands of years, and is here cast into a language that is incapable of presenting its poetic structure and philological connections.

Even an original text, translated as faithfully as possible, might remain inaccessible to the modern reader unable to place it within its original context. The intention of this work is to construct a document that closely corresponds with the best modern translations of Lao Tse, but which is blunt, easy and useful to read within a modern context."

Funny you people trip all over yourselves to grasp onto some writings that are most likely not authentic and yet mock me for lending creedence to the writings found in the Bible.

P.S. I especially like the caveat about context...hehehe...sheep...

[Sammich]

yeah...youre all a bunch of hypocrites

[NinjaHavoc]

Yes, I read that. That's why I said "It has been translated many times over the years" like it says in there...

[bobsbag]

Two kinds of people take absolute truth seriously; The first is a fool and the second is a criminal.

[Parasite]

Two kinds of people take absolute truth seriously; The first is a fool and the second is a criminal.
Absolutely!

[IIIrdEyeHeretik]

It's from 400+bc, you fucking idiot. Of course it's going to be mistranslated. NO text will be over 2k years old and be flawlessly translated.

[Barry Clark]

I really like his writings.

Whose writings?

I am surprised you people give these writings any credence whatsoever. How can one be sure that any of these passages are even close to Lao Tse's original scripts? The caveat at the end of these writings seems to highlight such a concern:

"This work is not a translation, but an interpolation. It does not represent the original text; the original, if there was an original, has been jumbled, mistranscribed and reinterpreted many times over many thousands of years, and is here cast into a language that is incapable of presenting its poetic structure and philological connections.

Even an original text, translated as faithfully as possible, might remain inaccessible to the modern reader unable to place it within its original context. The intention of this work is to construct a document that closely corresponds with the best modern translations of Lao Tse, but which is blunt, easy and useful to read within a modern context."

Funny you people trip all over yourselves to grasp onto some writings that are most likely not authentic and yet mock me for lending creedence to the writings found in the Bible.

P.S. I especially like the caveat about context...hehehe...sheep...I also owned a King James interpreation for sometime. Interesting read. Just because I think it is interesting, does not mean I buy it.

[fisk]

Even though the Christian bible probably is a load of mistranslated babble, there still is cultural significance to it. There obviously is wisdom within these interpretations, or writings - if you wish.

Criticizing everything may be an asset in many situations, but this one is trivial. They are only words, if you take them too seriously - you're probably threatened for some reason, or perhaps you're just a Parasite?

[Barry Clark]

yeah...youre all a bunch of hypocritesYou're a big eyeball.

[Barry Clark]

Even though the Christian bible probably is a load of mistranslated babble, there still is cultural significance to it. There obviously is wisdom within these interpretations, or writings - if you wish.

Criticizing everything may be an asset in many situations, but this one is trivial. They are only words, if you take them too seriously - you're probably threatened for some reason, or perhaps you're just a Parasite?Thank you.

[Tsorovan]

Plus, no one here said he or she lived by its preachings/teachings.

[IIIrdEyeHeretik]

Regardless of the authenticy of these articles, I still think everyone should at least study these writings once. much can be learned regardless of your religion or standings.

[Shujin]

No, I don't want to study your boring articles.

[balkanboi]

It was Tao Te Ching the last time I checked... People need to make up their minds I guess

And yes, it's a nice read

And yes, thank you for stating the obvious, Mr. Parasite... many old scriptures are under suspicion of not being authentic or being written by their supposed authors... the bible, Homer, Lao Tze's The Art Of War, etc etc

[fisk]

I thought it was Sun Tzu who wrote The Art of War :P

[IIIrdEyeHeretik]

In chinese some forms of letters are pornounced others. So the name changes from person to person basing on who they are talking to. If they realise people know how to say it correctly they say it more to it's native way, but if they are talking to ignorant fucks they spell it the way it sounds.

[Sammich]

one ounce of porn please

[Barry Clark]

I thought it was Sun Tzu who wrote The Art of War :PGood call.

[balkanboi]

I thought it was Sun Tzu who wrote The Art of War :PGood call.

You're right. My brain's malfunctioning

[fisk]

one ounce of porn please

Yes please.

[FiveStringFiend]

It is still debated among historians whether Lao Tze even existed. There are no historical records of him, only heresay (as opposed to Jesus who most historians agree did exist and is a historical figure). The Tao could be a composite of different people's ideas, no one really knows. Either way, its got some interesting concepts in it. Just go with the flow...

[balkanboi]

Yes and it's also debatable if it was Lao Tze or Sun Tzu who arote The Art Of War

: P

[Tsorovan]

Umm... most historians? There's only one admissible "evidence" outside of the Bible and that's a few sentences by Carius Cornelius Tacitus, who actually was very reliable in writing down things he thought to be true. And no, Josephus' writings do not count since they have been proven to have been spiced up/rewritten. Tacitus' accounts were written almost a century after the supposed birth of a man called Jesus who some people thought were a messiah. Then again, there were multiple so-called messiahs at the time of Jesus' supposed existence, many of whom were believed to be able to perform miracles. However, for some reason no one's cared about those.

I think your "most historians" thing is a bit of a stretch. It's possible that the historical Jesus figure is real, but I don't find it very likely and in any case it's completely irrelevant to everything.

[Shujin]

Besides, just because there was a Jesus doesn't mean that he was the son of God.

[Tsorovan]

Of course not, I don't think that was even up on the table right now.

[Shujin]

I know, that's just where it often ends up going.

[Tsorovan]

If it does, I'll hack it to shreds with my meat cleaver.

[fisk]

shut up and go watch porn

[Shujin]

Recommend me some good porn, fisk. You seem to be "in the know."

[Transfixion Burn]

I read yonder Tao Te Ching and although I do indeed like the ideas expressed most are impossible standards by todays means if practiced exactly as written (obviously as the translations read)

[NinjaHavoc]

That's not entirely true.

[IIIrdEyeHeretik]

how do you think buddhist monks live? nearly exactly this way... true ones that is

[Barry Clark]

one ounce of porn please

Yes please.PRON! PRON! PRON!

wait....

PRAWN! PRAWN! PRAWN!

[Transfixion Burn]

how do you think buddhist monks live? nearly exactly this way... true ones that is

at my current location, and just in this area in general... hell even the united states in general its incredably difficult.



Not to mention enough money to get your own plot of land to use for use self, etc,...

I'm talking if you want to be completely free of "things" in general

[NinjaHavoc]

Just start with the simpler things he talked about. If you want to, anyways.

[reductioadabsurdum]

"Watch the turmoil of beings,
but contemplate their return."

This is what I have to remember in order to remain somewhat compassionate for the ignorant fucks circulating about.

"Immersed in the wonder of the Tao,
you can deal with whatever life brings you,
and when death comes, you are ready."
:infinity: :infinity: :infinity:

[Tsorovan]

"You look like you need a monkey, sir."

[IIIrdEyeHeretik]

Just start with the simpler things he talked about. If you want to, anyways.
Ninjah as a good point. Everyone could profit from doing this at least a little. Freeing yourself from some over-excessive things we "need" to use because society tells us we want them.
Cut down on all the excess bullshit taht you dont need.... start with that and you'd be well on your way to be more like this 'impossible' way to live

[Barry Clark]

I read yonder Tao Te Ching and although I do indeed like the ideas expressed most are impossible standards by todays means if practiced exactly as written (obviously as the translations read)Why would you practice it as written? Just because the words are that you should be as water going where no man wants and that you should build you house on solid ground does mean see a plastic surgeon about turning yourself into water then find a real estate agent and a building contractor. No. It more than that. It can mean every thing from actually building a house on solid ground to ensure that your thoughts and actions come a solid reasoning. Following verbatim is something Christianity has taught as an organized religion.

[Tsorovan]

But only certain parts (http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/).
Hehe.

[Barry Clark]

But only certain parts (http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/).
Hehe. :lookup: :lol: :superrofl:

[Parasite]

But only certain parts (http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/).
Hehe.
Since we seem to be in the mood for posting info on fringe groups (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&u=/nm/20040607/od_nm/italy_satanic_deaths_dc_1&printer=1), you might as well check out another. Interesting that when fringe "Christians" get a little sideways they simply stop eating shellfish; however, heavy-metal Satanists stick knives in people's hearts and smash their own buddy's skull in with hammers when they act on their teachings literally - those cooky Satanists...hehehehehe...wild bunch they are.

[Barry Clark]

But only certain parts (http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/).
Hehe.
Since we seem to be in the mood for posting info on fringe groups (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&u=/nm/20040607/od_nm/italy_satanic_deaths_dc_1&printer=1), you might as well check out another. Interesting that when fringe "Christians" get a little sideways they simply stop eating shellfish; however, heavy-metal Satanists stick knives in people's hearts and smash their own buddy's skull in with hammers when they act on their teachings literally - those cooky Satanists...hehehehehe...wild bunch they are.The are far more of these strange christians than there likely are total satanists let alone the violent ones. You will find far more horribly murderous people who buy the christian ideological point of view than the satanic. What does that mean? Nothing more than there are more christians. People are people. Assholes will be assholes no matter they attend their worship service, if they attend one at all.

[Tsorovan]

OH NOS PARASITE WAS MEAN TO MY BUDDIES SATANISTS, WHOM I REALLY ADORE AND SUPPORT! He surely got me on that one.
I feel so humiliated and... desecrated now :( :( :( :( :( :( *

[* Note, the use of homocons, or smileys if you will, are purely sarcastic and shouldn't be an indication of my present mental state.]

[Sammich]

HAIL FELLOW SATANIST KVLTISTS!666

666 WHO ARE TR00 AND GRIM AND FROSTBITEN!! 666

666*eats tsorovans brain for black mass*

BRING ON THE VIRGINS!!!666

666

[Barry Clark]

HAIL FELLOW SATANIST KVLTISTS!666

666 WHO ARE TR00 AND GRIM AND FROSTBITEN!! 666

666*eats tsorovans brain for black mass*

BRING ON THE VIRGINS!!!666

666 :lol: Frostbiten

[Tsorovan]

BTW, Parasite... you forgot to mention what you think of those pieces of the bible. Do you eat shrimp? If so, why do you not follow the word of your god?

These are rhetorical questions by the way, so you don't need to answer them.

[balkanboi]

:lol: Frostbiten

hehe my thoughts exactly